EVE Search - Sinking minerals: is PvP what makes the EVE economy go round?

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Mr Epeen wrote:

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting to get rid of PvP. But maybe CCP should start looking at the role of PvE in the economy with different eyes... or just start looking at it AT ALL.

I can't disagree.

CCP has touted over and over that the 'holy trinity' (gather/build/destroy) is the fuel that runs the engine that is EVE Online.

As I see it from my perspective, this is way out of balance right now. Too much of the first two and not enough of the third. Ship destruction through PVP is sorely lacking in the equation for whatever reasons and has been for some time. One of these reasons is most certainly the natural aversion to risk that most combat pilots have. They become too invested in KB stats and ignore the fun to be had in just blowing stuff up and getting blown up.

There are three options. Reduce mineral yield, raise the cost of building, or provide more avenues for destruction. With a decades worth of stockpiled minerals and ships sitting in hangars all over New Eden, the only viable solution is the last one. More destruction.

Player on player ship destruction has hit its peak, in my opinion. It would be great to see more of it. A lot more of it. But without a fundamental change in the human condition, we won't. As much as we tell ourselves this is a game, deep down we don't want to lose a ship. We're just wired that way. So we avoid combat unless it's a sure thing. And there is simply not enough sure things to allow destruction to keep up with the pace of construction.

One option is too take a look at expanding the PVE side of the game. Rework it though. Make it an actual risky venture and not a wallet filler for the perceived step up into PVP combat. That doesn't work. If it did, we'd not be in this situation. It needs to be a thing unto itself. A risky thing requiring PVP fits and a real need to be at the keyboard.

One of the fundamental errors was creating two different games in one. Until that is rectified we will continue to see stagnation. How can you PVP when you've been trained to PVE? It's like trying to play Chess and Checkers on the same board. It doesn't work. Once PVE becomes a PVP game with bots instead of a way to make ISK while AFK, I think we'll see not only more destruction, but more inclination for people who start in PVE to become more likely to fight other players. And the more we'll see some fun back in the game while bringing back balance to the gather/build/destroy equation.

Mr Epeen Cool

"Pure" PvP games have a limited lifespan as they split every new player into either a winner or a loser. Losers quit the game (nobody pays for losing) and winners become better at winning, until new players stand no chance of winning and so every new player becomes a loser and quits. Then the old players grow bored of easy wins and/or too afraid of losing against better players and they quit too, and then the game dies.

EVE lasted 12 years because of PvE, not PvP. If you ask some people, they'll tell you that EVE survived 12 years in spite of PvP...